Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-69.169.149.237-20140108093910/@comment-69.204.51.67-20140808163042

1caiser wrote: Now, the proportions of head length have reached contingency to a single answer, and is now moot. With a 7.5 head-height, and an arm length of approximately 3 heads, Kirito would have an arm length of 27.08", not far from your (rounded) 27.09" arm length using a formula that depended on shoulder width. And the blades reached contingency as to having an estimate of 36" (based on your measurements).

69.204.51.67 wrote: However, I also measured the hilt of each sword, measured from the cross guard to the end of the pommel, at exactly 1/4 the overall length of the swords, meaning the blade of each sword is exactly 3/4 the overall length of each sword. I still disagree with the hilt length opposed to the sword length. In Kirito's original LN concept art, the swords' hilts are approximately 1/5 of the entire sword length. This is the best measurement that I can accept as the anime changes its proportions in many an area. To prove this, I went ahead and rewatched instances that included Kirito's arm and the Elucidator, and measured their lengths. These measurements are in centimeters.


 * Season 1 Episode 10; 03:35 -- 3.8:7.5 (x1.97) (arm was broken down into two parts: from the hand to the elbow, and the elbow to the shoulder.)
 * Season 1 Episode 12; 10:17 -- 2.7:5.3 (x1.96)
 * Season 1 Episode 12; 11:26 -- 4.5:8.5 (x1.89)
 * Season 1 Episode 14; 03:36 -- 2.5:3.6 (x1.44)

The deviance is there, right in front of you. You may not pause in the same location as me, (our measurements will probably not be the same in «S1E12, 10:17») but I can see that the anime is not consistent in their ratios.

69.204.51.67 wrote: And, yes, I would argue that Kirito could easily have hands with a 5" hand width. I have very small hands, even for a typical man of my 5'6" height, and have a 4" hand width. Kirito is taller than I am and has corrispondingly larger hands. His hands are also proportionately larger, so yes, he could easily have a 5" hand width. This further adds up to a 12" hilt. What I do not understand is how you can compare Kirito to your proportions; his hand width to your hand width. Does gaining one inch of height add an extra one inch to hand width?

This "hand width" I am speaking of is not:
 * the span of splayed fingers, from the farthest edge of the pinky to the edge of the thumb
 * the span of a hand flattened against a surface, with all of the fingers touching, from the base of the pinky to the base of the thumb

but the span from the base of the pinky to the base of the index finger. Make a fist. That is the length of "hand" I am talking about.

I do not understand how you can determine that Kirito having a 5 inch hand span is rational, even if this was measured from the "base of the pinky to the base of the thumb." Adding one inch to one's height does not add one inch to one's hand-span. As for the"Inconsistancies" in the animation, those same "inconsistancies" exist in the manga. And those are primarily based upon foreshortening caused by perspective, as well as natural variation in drawings. However, an average can still be reached. I measured shots where both the blade and arm were flat on profile, so that there were no distortions from foreshortening, and got pretty consistant average results. with a 27" arm, I got a 36" blade. Regardless, we're both getting the same blade length of 36". So, in this case we're both getting the same results for blade length and arm length. Where we differ is hilt length.

I've measured the swords using the images from this site, including the one you linked to of his model sheet, as well as other images from his page here—including Kirito full body, Elucidator , and Dark Repulsor—and the hilts of both swords are exactly one fourth the length of the swords, not one fifth. Thus, with a 36" blade, the hilts are 12" long from the end of the pommel to the top of the cross guard, equating to a 48" sword in total length. It sounds to me like you're only measuring the hand grips themselves, not the total hilt. I'm measuring the entire hilt from the top of the cross guard (where the blade itself enters the guard) to the very butt of the pommel. using multiple references and getting a consistant result. The hilt of each sword is one fourth the total length of the sword.  This equates to a 36" blade with a 12" hilt, thus making the Elucidator and Dark Repulsor  48" long swords, not 40", not 44" A full 48" (four feet) in length.

And you're still getting Kirito's proportions wrong too, even based upon that model sheet. Kirito's total head height is only 5.5 heads tall, with an arm length of 2 heads, and a shoulder width of 1 head length. Regardless, his arms still measure at about 27" long. And, he does have relatively large hands for his overall size. which is a direct contrast to me. As I mentioned, I have small hands, even for someone of my height. Based upon that model sheet, Kirito has relatively large hands for his height, so yes, it is conceivable that his hands could be up to an inch wider than mine, even if he is just under 2" taller than me given that his hands are proportionately larger than mine.

And, for the record, the proper measuring of hand width is a flat hand, fingers together, measured from the base of the pinky to the base if the thumb, not a fist measured from pinky to index finger. That is the standard used when measuring the "hand height" of horses, for example. Horses are measured in "hands", if you didn't know, and the measurement is based upon a flat hand fingers together, from the base of the pinky to the base of the thumb. You are using the wrong measurements.