Okay, so I randomly came across something on the internet I was surprised to find out while looking for information related to the recent Fatal Bullet update that added ‘Mask of the Abyss’. The information I’m referring to is that apparently Itsuki’s real name is Sai Yukitsugu- which is all well and good but HOW THE HECK DID WE KNOW THIS. I’ve watched all the SAO series, played all its games but only knew about this accidentally. Is this information from the novels, because then that’d make more sense since I didn’t read them. Please heal my confusion.
Itsuki's reali-life name was revealed on the same tweet that disclosed his birthday (https://twitter.com/sao_wikia/status/1085507556469030912). For the record, Itsuki only appears in the games, which are in their own separate canon from the light novels and anime. By the way, why did you pose the this question to me? The admins and other regulars on the wiki are significantly more knowledgeable on the series than I am.
Hey man, I know you like adding a lot of "new stuff" to the articles, I know you don't like really pacing your edits outs all that much despite kind requests, while most of us must therefore wait months for our edit reviews to be completed... But at the very least, can you try to finish improving your reviewed and commented out edits and clean up that backlog that would be somewhat easier for Gsi to review, rather than constantly adding more edits, only to be commented out again and again?
For example, my Kirito Mode chronology is still under review, ever since September 2018. It is only slightly more than 50% reviewed, due to your constant new additions taking so much focus. It starts getting irritating seeing another Gameverse character page gets a new edit, only to be reviewed and commented out in favor of the actual Gameverse Game Article at hand waiting for review, and I can only complain to myself for so many Gameverse character edits, before having to come out and try to put things as is being perceived from the other side of the spectrum. Some other editors who focus on main articles suffer from the same fate as well, as minor additions are added to all smaller scope articles, only to be removed and for every single "fix" you do, you follow up with half a dozen new edits as well.
It got to a point where I had to speak with Gsi and take over your edits for Gameverse related matters to make it somewhat easier for him, despite the fact that I have poor/casual style in the first place.
So to be specific about my request, please, I can see you have a lot of time in your hands and want to contribute as much as you can. But for gods sake, at least prioritize the fixes of your out-commented edits, rather than adding new stuff, just because you want to add stuff based on a fictional calendar of SAO Events.
Sorry about the delay in replying; the Internet isn't exactly cooperative with me at the moment. Not sure I can deviate from my schedule of commemorative edits, since that might drastically reduce my contribution rate to much slower that a snail's pace, which I find extremely frustrating. As I've devoted a great time of time into the wiki, I feel rather obligated to see it through to the end, and I've grown exasperated with the amount of work I still feel can be done compared to how much progress I had hoped to make when I first started adding to the wiki, hence why I keep adding things at a more than constant pace. I can try to reduce the size of most of my edits, but as I may have said before, it's rather very difficult for me to properly estimate how big or small they'll end up.
As for fixing my reviewed contributions, I feel a little wary about making edits to the same article too close to each other, since that could easily end up with a edit battle with Gsimenas and he woud still be irritated with my shenanigans either way. That's partly why I toned down my contribution from every day/every other day. Of course, as events concerning the same characters/places can be quite qspaced out from each other, I can end up forgeting my previous edit or the advice on how to improve it. I'll see about going over my edits from up until now, but I can't make any promises.
> As I've devoted a great time of time into the wiki, I feel rather obligated to see it through to the end, and I've grown exasperated with the amount of work I still feel can be done compared to how much progress I had hoped to make when I first started adding to the wiki
It should be clear that we all share the same passion. We are all here to contribute and none of us are happy about the little amount of content we get to add. I've been making jokes about finishing the Fatal Bullet page before Reki finishes the entire Progressive series because of how frustrated I am at the pace I am allowed to contribute. And I have to make it very clear here so excuse me being blunt, but the amount you keep piling up onto the backlog is coming at the expense of us, the editors who actually do care about respecting the time of the one person who reviews the edits. Every single day I see a new edit in the Recent Activity from you, I feel obliged to take it to Gsi to balance out his reviews. He is constantly forced to review your edits due to you being unable to control your will to contribute and throws us back into the backlog. Your new additions result in us getting more and more frustrated every single time due to its effect on our edit reviews.
> Not sure I can deviate from my schedule of commemorative edits, since that might drastically reduce my contribution rate to much slower that a snail's pace
Not sure you get a grasp of the situation here. You make edits at most 3 days separated from each other. I did not get a chance to make a proper edit since September 2018, while trying to find ways to improve the Wikia without putting much work on Gsi instead. And my edit from September 2018 was 20 paragraphs. In 9 months, I received about 10 paragraphs worth of review. Whereas at your pace, you are forcing Gsi to review 10 paragraphs in the span of a week, just because you are not willing to listen to his "Please slow down" warnings. You know what happens if I do exactly what you are doing, adding brand new edits, 10 paragraphs a week? This place becomes unmanageable. That is why we try to remain silent, but at a certain point, you need to understand the circumstances.
> I can try to reduce the size of most of my edits, but as I may have said before, it's rather very difficult for me to properly estimate how big or small they'll end up.
Your sizing issue is not a matter of actual size, it's the amount of unneeded information. What I'm referring to here is the constant new additions to pages everywhere. That is the reason why I am urging you to stop adding new stuff every single day, but rather look back at stuff reviewed by Gsi, so they can actually get improved and shown on pages. Most of your edits are commented out, invisible on the pages, because you keep adding new stuff, without looking back at what Gsi deemed unacceptable, thus all your effort puffs out into nothing. Added information is worthless if they are not presentable.
> I feel a little wary about making edits to the same article too close to each other
You shouldn't. When Gsi completes editing an article with direct feedback to you, that means you can now go there, read his feedback, learn and improve. When your edits are so obviously reviewed, with a changelog of your mistakes and comments on the style, then you do not need to wait until the next birthday to fix that paragraph. Instead of constantly adding new content and piling up more heavy work on Gsi, focus your free time on correcting your already reviewed edits. That way, we won't have 100 pages with out-commented content, but 5 pages with actually acceptable content.
> he woud still be irritated with my shenanigans either way
He is irritated by all of our shenanigans. He is more irritated by your shenanigans because you keep ignoring his requests of slowing down and keep edit spamming, while we have to take a stance and annoy him further for constantly reviewing your stuff in favor of ours.
> I'll see about going over my edits from up until now, but I can't make any promises.
I don't see why it is easier for you to add new content than improve on the content that has direct feedback on it. Gsi literally leaves comments as to what is wrong with the paragraph. Instead of going over to random articles and conjuring up new paragraphs, just go to your own profile/contributions screen, click on one of your contributions and see if Gsi reviewed it or not. I genuinely don't understand the concern here... Is writing new paragraphs that will be outcommented by Gsi and make all your progress for naught, really better than looking back at your earlier edits that have received direct feedback and improving them so something acceptable can be featured on the article?
Not sure I can deviate from my schedule of commemorative edits
Your "schedule" is basically just an excuse for any kind of edit you can make. I can understand making an edit to celebrate a certain characters birthday (though I do find all your edit comments cringey at best), but you're basically making edits for almost any event —— a lot of which I wouldn't even think of commemorating —— or whatever you can find on the timeline. Instead of waiting for your previous edit to be reviewed, you jump at any excuse you can to churn out another paragraph somewhere. Your selfishness forces me to resort to damage control - rushing to your edits before they pile up too much that they'd be forgotten for years on end (I still have yet to get some of your edits from over three years ago, after all, with all your spamming), which comes at the cost of harming any other editor on the wiki considerate enough to not push their own stuff when I'm stuck cleaning up after you. But you never seem to care that your rush to get your own content out comes at the price of other people being unable to work on their own stuff. I understand the frustration of editors like Kaan, but I am only one man and you are forcing my hands.
drastically reduce my contribution rate to much slower that a snail's pace, which I find extremely frustrating.
For the record, the main reason you're going at a snail's pace is, ironically, specifically because of all your rushing to churn out paragraphs left and right. What the heck is the point in writing tons of paragraphs, if I have to cut them all in half in the end? Not only does that waste your own time, it also wastes my time, which means that other people suffer, as I have a limited amount of time that I can dedicate to reviews when I also have Uni and SAO translations to do. Instead of writing one decent paragraph, you always choose to write 2-3 or even more paragraphs for what can be covered in a single one. So, you're actually making your job much more unnecessarily drawn out than it should be. If you'd take the time to actually work on the quality than the quantity, I'd have less issues to correct per edit and you'd be wasting less of your own time on unnecessary ramblings about irrelevant story details. That's a double timesaver that would have allowed you to finish more of your projects by now. Heck, a lot of your edits are currently going for naught, as they don't even appear on the articles because either I've been unable to get to them with all the workload you're giving me, or because they were reviewed, but you never bothered to tie up the loose ends.
I can try to reduce the size of most of my edits, but as I may have said before, it's rather very difficult for me to properly estimate how big or small they'll end up.
Which wouldn't be a problem, if you bothered to go over your stuff a second time to get rid of the stuff that contributes nothing to understanding the plot. Almost all of your edits are plagued by the fact that 50% of the content is irrelevant or needlessly excessive. If you were paying attention to the quality of your writing and not veering away from the point, you'd be keeping strict tabs on how long each of your edits ends up and wouldn't be having your "difficult [...] to properly estimate how big or small they'll end up" problem.
As for fixing my reviewed contributions, I feel a little wary about making edits to the same article too close to each other, since that could easily end up with a edit battle with Gsimenas and he woud still be irritated with my shenanigans either way.
If I specifically reviewed your edit to the end, left you notes on further issues, and haven't touched the article in several hours, it's pretty safe to assume that I'm done with it, unless I specifically state that I'm not done yet. If anything, you jumping around from article to article without fixing your old issues (or waiting for your previous edit to be reviewed) gets on my nerves. I specifically leave notes for you in hopes that you'll focus on them with your next edit, rather than pull out a brand new paragraph somewhere. Your commented out edits will not see the day of light if you refuse to fix your issues and instead focus only on overloading me even more, which means that that's a lot of your own time and effort going down the drain, like Kaan mentioned above.
As you may recall, several days ago, I specifically told you that I was on vacation. This meant that I didn't really have the time or motivation to go through large edits on a daily basis. But instead of realising the implication, you decided to spam even more edits during my week off, increasing my backlog even further. On the other hand, several other users, who have been more considerate and withheld from editing while I was unavailable, have complained that because I'm always busy with your edits, I never manage to get to theirs, meaning that they never get the chance to make their own edits, as they don't want to overburden me. As this trend is absolutely unfair from their perspective, I have decided to be far less lenient with your edits to save time. From now on, if I see any major issues with your content, I'll either just mark the issues and have you fix them yourself, or remove the content entirely until you rework it properly. Until you fix the issues with your previous edits, you may not make new edits.
...I see. I had hoped that commenting out most of my contributions would at least alleviate the immediate need to review them. Obviously, it's still insufficient. I'll do my best to get off your back for the time being (probably until mid- or late August).
Commenting stuff out doesn't mean that my backlog is any less clogged up by it. And my backlog is already swamped as is. That is the issue. My backlog is so swamped with your edits that I can never get around to doing anything but your edits. That means other people barely ever get my attention and thus can't work on their own stuff properly. It would be one thing if your edits wouldn't require much changing, but that is not the case here. You frequently write too much about unimportant stuff and not enough about the important stuff, thus your edits almost always require a lot of changes. I have tried pushing your reviews back so that I could work on other stuff as well, but you never wait for me to get to your edits, so that only ends up in a lot of work piling up on my backlog. That's why I can't just ignore your edits just because you comment them out.
Who exactly gave you permission to change the spelling of character names on the wiki? All naming changes must be cleared through me first and foremost before being executed, as I am the naming manager on the wiki. Changing any names without my authorisation is a gross violation of this wiki's guidelines and will get you in a load of trouble. You of all people should have known that very well by now, seeing as you've been on the wiki for this long. Consider this (a very serious) warning this time. I don't want to ever catch you doing that again.
(winces) Oh, right, sorry about that. I got too carried away with making sure the captions matched with what was happening in the scenes that I failed to verify the names with the official naming list. It didn't occur to me that I would be breaching protocol, since I wasn't touching the actual character pages. Rest assured, it won't happen again.
How exactly did you fail to "verify the names" when you had to know the spelling we use on the wiki to link all the characters... And you went out of your way to change the spelling with link captions....
For the record, using non-standard name spelling is a significant issue on its own, but using spellings that have already been confirmed to be incorrect (e.g., Ronie instead of Ronye) is barely different from adding false information to the wiki... and you should already know just how strict I am with such transgressions...
You know, I'm not sure what exactly I was thinking myself. Normally I'm better at refraining from these breaches than this. Perhaps editing late at night may have had something to do with it. As for referring to Kirito by his in-game name in the real world...not sure how I missed that. Again, I don't intend to repeat this mistake.
I've just finished reviewing Mizue's article and I figured I'd send you a more detailed commentary on your edit personally due to the limited nature of edit comments.
Don't force add template-related categories. Categories like "Citations needed" or "Candidates for Revision" are automatically added to the page when the respective template is used and automatically removed when the respective template is removed. If you force the categories (i.e., manually add them to the page), other editors might miss this and not remove the categories even when the page has been improved/corrected/reviewed.
Please add basic template parameters even if you won't be filling them yourself. If the parameters will have to be filled in by someone in the near future, it's best to leave some empty parameters on the page, since Source mode doesn't really show the parameters otherwise, which means that I had to go to the template page just to check how the parameters have to be named to add something that you surely should have known I would add. Basically, copy the whole infobox unto the page and only remove the parameters that you don't foresee to ever be used (e.g. game parameters on a non-player page)
Your introduction for the page is kinda lacking. It should have some basic plot details to make it clear who the character is (and how she is relevant to the story). Of course, it shouldn't be a wall of text (unless the character is major and has a lot of general info that needs to be covered), but it should still give more than just the name and familial relationships. One extra sentence or so to make it clear that she's the girl whose mother Shino saved would be nice.
Don't use -ing verbs where they're not appropriate. They imply that the action is ongoing, so when you use them to form complex sentences, you imply that one actions is happening at the same time as another. Thus, "Waiting in a private room at the back of the cafe, Mizue and Sachie entered the main room" doesn't really sound logical, since they can't both be waiting in the other room and entering the main room at the same time.
Avoid overfocusing on other characters. They should only be mentioned as much as needed to understand what's going on and for transition. If half or more of the sentence focuses on other characters (especially if other characters are doing far more than the character the article is meant for)... it really feels off topic. Try to keep the focus on the character in question. That also goes for clause order.
I guess that's about it for now. Hope you find this useful.
Hey, sorry for bugging again. I've once again come to ask that you try streamlining your Gallery Editing process a little. I talked about this back in April, but it seemed like there was a miscommunication.
For example, during the span of 3 days (25-27 June), you had to touch Kirigaya_Kazuto/Image_Gallery on 3 separate instances, where the same work could've been done in a single instance, which would invoke only a single edit in the Wikia log, making it easier to see, making it easier to compare, as well as making it easier for it to be reviewed.
If you are not sure how to go with the process of streamlining these edits, I can recommend you to try a broader perspective. When you want to add pictures to individual galleries, go through all the images that need to be added. So, not thinking "Kirito Images from Hollow Realization", no "Images from Hollow Realization", but rather "Images that are available to be added from the entire Gameverse".
Before moving forward and doing edits individually, make note of which pictures have a certain character in it. For example, all three of these images, that were added on separate instances have Kirito in them:
After noting which pictures have Kirito, which pictures have Asuna, which pictures have Sinon, etc. in them, you can now shift into bulk editing, effectively adding all Kirito images to their respective galleries in a single edit, rather than spreading 5 pictures into 3 edits on 3 different days.
Working effectively like this, not only puts less workload on your own shoulders, but more importantly, puts less work onto the shoulders of the one person going through the entire Wikia log.
Thanks for the time it took you to go through my little novel here. Hope it helps you structure your work a little better, because it sure as hell will help Gsi during his exam period.
Understood. I had meant to add Lisbeth's Heroine Event to Kirito's Image Gallery along with the rest of the relevant Hollow Realization images, but somehow missed it, and failed to realize it until I began adding to Lisbeth's Image Gallery, so I decided to wait until later to upload it so I wouldn't risk editing the article while a admin/moderator was reviewing my contribution/cleaning up the page. Also, I'm not all that fond of simultaneously editing multiple galleries on the same page, partially since it entails working in source editor or something like it, and I'd like see what changes I'm enacting while I'm doing them, rather than a boatload of coding that I have a hard time completely comprehending. Plus, I definitely don't remember uploading numerous images of the same character from different games/media to the wiki on the same day, so my experience with adding them to the galleries all at once is somewhat minimal. I'll take your advice on streamlining my edits into deeper consideration, but don't expect instant progress on that front.
Please refrain from overusing nicknames when you need synonyms to refer to a character. Nicknames should only be used if they fit the context. Otherwise, you create unintended implications. For example, in your last Kirito edit, you said that the solo player lifted Ruru. So, he lifted her because he was tired of being single? When you're emphasising that he's solo in a situation like that, you're making it sound like he was trying to get a girlfriend... That's why you should be more careful with where you are using nicknames. Calling Kirito the black swordsman when he's in a fight is appropriate. Calling as The Flash when she's doing something fast is also more or less appropriate, since you are emphasising qualities that are actually relevant to the situation. But referring to Asuna as the "Berserk Healer" in a non-combat situation... is definitely going to give the wrong idea...
I see. Sorry about that. As a writer, it's one of my personal rules to avoid repeating the same word or phrase so close to each other as much as possible, e.g. "Kirito promised....Asuna promised...Then Kirito declared...But Asuna declared...", etc. I suppose it stems from me taking to heart my English teachers' lessons on avoiding "said" whenever possible. Plus, I noticed the nicknames aren't used all that often on their owner's page, so as a result of all of the above, I tend to use characters' epithets and synonyms as much as I can. But I can work with restricting titles to apporpiate contexts. By the way, aside from my most recent edit on Kirito's article, when was the last time I referred to a character by a synonym or nickname in a less-than-appropiate situation? Because so far I don't remember addressing Asuna as the Berserk Healer yet aside from my contribution summaries.
I would like to remind you that the Image Guideline has the following clause:
"Repeated images or images that are too similar to already existing images (e.g. screenshots taken within several second of each other from the same footage) should be avoided, unless there is a very good reason to use such images. Please check Category:Images before uploading a new image."
Two images that are barely different from each other are considered redundant image spam and should be avoided. Also, **check for existing images before uploading new ones**!!! One of the images you uploaded today was an exact duplicate of some old image that was already in use!
Sorry about uploading the preexisting image. I had meant to upload it as a new verion of that picture, but I was still a little tired from the earlier assistance with my family, and so I ended up uploading it as an entirely new photo. Although, aren't those two images of teatime with Seven and Sinon from Lost Song also pretty close to each other? Still, I suppose there's a subtly less than significant difference I haven't recognized yet between the images I uploaded and the preexisting ones compared to between the aforementioned Lost Song images, so I won't press the issue.
I'd also like to add to the thread that I will be uploading full quality pictures directly ripped from my screen with no loss of quality tonight, rather than through Playthroughs on Youtube that suffer a lot from the video compression on top of Youtube's own processing, so it'd be nice if you could hold off on uploading the Youtube versions, I'd be really glad. That way, it gives me less stuff to replace and edit individually and I can upload the missing ones with bulk actions, saving me no less than an hour in total.
If you are curious about why I have replaced all the previous pictures as well, the reason is that:
1) The screenshots through Youtube show clear signs of compression artifacts which are not good. Full quality picture with no loss is preferred, hence why I take them directly from the output of my Playstation 4 at 1080p with no video compression.
2) The size of the images. To be clear, my 1080p versions were about the same size as the 720p ones that I replaced, if not smaller size. As for the 1080p versions I replaced with previous 1080p versions, the ones I uploaded were about half the size that I replaced, with better quality. Smaller sizes allow the Wikia to operate more seamlessly, especially on low bandwidth conditions. And better quality speaks for itself.
I understand. Though, if I allow myself to be honest here...what work will there be left for me to do once you take over Gamerverse image duty? Aside from expanding chronologies and adding/clarfiying references, adding images from the games is one of my major sources of work here on the wiki. From my history with cleaning and revamping chronologies, I lack enough confidence in myself to believe I can adjust the size and quality of my chronology contributions to match and be accepted by the requirements of this wiki, so for the foreseeable future I can't do chronology work every day. And I fear I'll get tired if I work on exclusively clarifying and adding references for too long periods of time. Plus I have no absolute way to upload images of decent quality from the light novels, anime, or manga that everyone will agree with. So if I no longer need to work on adding images from the video games, what work will I be able to do? Sorry if I sound a little whiny here, but I've contributed to this wiki for close to two years now. I'd rather not let all that time and effort be for nothing without a decent reason.
Don't worry, you don't really sound "whiny", it is a legitimate concern, so let me try to explain this as clear as possible.
It's not that I am taking the job from you. In fact, none of us actually have a "job" here, aside from Content Mods, who have to check through the submitted content. The community (us) are welcomed to expand on the content here on the wikia, as you'd probably know. But having a low amount of Content Mods, we have a huge bottleneck of Quality Control, so we, contributers, have to keep that in mind.
Your quarrel with the Content Mods regarding written content is none of my business, so I can't expand upon that. As for the images however, as a member of the community, and an involved member of the Gameverse content, I also want to contribute the best quality content possible. I am not telling you to stop uploading pictures. I have no authority to do that, I am a member, just like you. However, I can't idly stand by, when somebody uploads low quality pictures, from Youtube playthroughs that go through 2 layers of processing, with files much larger than necessary. As a member, it's an area I can improve myself, which I will do. My request was mainly to prevent you from wasting your time uploading those pictures, while also saving me the hassle of replacing them one by one.
> Plus I have no absolute way to upload images of decent quality from the light novels, anime, or manga that everyone will agree with.
You see, that is essentially the key part of my argument here. You don't have the source material, so you have no way of uploading good quality images. Considering you are uploading 720p screenshots from Youtube playthroughs, I assume you do not have the source material for the games as well, which is why I the pictures you have serious signs of processing artifacts, whereas my direct rips from PS4 are the highest quality those images can be.
If you can upload direct rips from the games, be my guest, upload them and save me the hassle of going through my archive. But if that is not possible, I'll do it myself. Not to "rid you of your job", but to provide the highest quality of content possible.
If you don't see that to be a "decent reason", there is nothing I can do. However "Improving Quality of Pictures" and "Improving User Experience with more reasonable File Sizes" are objectively "decent enough" reasons for me to do this.
And as a more general advice, Improving the Wikia is a voluntary hobby for most of us. I don't recommend seeing it as a "job". You don't need to feel the need to constantly add things every single day. From what I can see, that was the main reason of your "Chronology" issues. You saw it as a job and went too fast, which created too huge of a backlog for the limited Content Mods. Take it easy, not every day you need to make a change to something ;)
thank you for tagging old images for deletion, I cleaned up some of them. Though I don't understand why you uploaded a version with a lower resoltion of this image three months ago when this image with a higher resolution already existed, and now mark it for deletion after uplaoding the exact same image again in low resolution? I removed your new image and uploaded a high-res version without the black borders. Don't use Youtube screenshots, they are not nearly as good as actual game screenshots. Because screenshots you take on your computer rely on your display settings, whereas CGs from the games themselvs are actually the full files in full detail, and not something scaled to fit your display.
I'm afraid there's not much I can do about that. Not sure if I've stated this before, but I'm actually somewhat limited in accessibility to the various media forms of Sword Art Online aside from the light novels themselves. In this case, I don't actually have any of the games, so I have to rely on other sources on the web to find the CGs, which I've done for some time now. I'll continue to search for the best quality versions of the video game images available to me; if you and the others are able to upload better quality versions of the picutre I provide, feel free to replace them.
It's nearly June so it's that time of the year when I have my summer exams at Uni. Throughout the month, I'll be busy studying for my exams. Getting distracted by large edits to review is the last thing I need right now, thus I kindly ask you to please refrain from making as many major edits as you regularly do until the end of June, as I won't have the time to review all of that stuff. Thank you for your understanding.
I hope that you hold back on any summaries or other major changes for the next month, since I won't have time to review such edits that often. I don't event have the time to edit the article you created today, since I have an exam tomorrow.
Don't worry, I plan on spacing my edits for at least the next week, perhaps resume work on adding images from the games (maybe one or two at a time though). I can afford to slow down my work for the time being.